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should vaccines be given to children
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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If everyone but my kid is vaccinated, who would they contract it from?
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Studies in the UK show that the contraction of tetanus has steadily declined for the first 60 years prior to routine vaccination being administered. Likely the drastic drop in contagion is due to better hygiene and competent wound cleaning. The US version of this graph lips off the dates before this point, making it seem more drastic.
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/tetanus-immunisation
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/tetanus.html
The effectiveness is not foolproof against tetanus, as this study shows.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1565228
Where 3 cases of severe tetanus was contracted and one death resulted despite high levels of the serum in their system. Though these numbers sampling are small, it doesn't earn any vote of confidence from me for the vaccine.
There are even studies that show that populations of unvaccinated people have high levels of anti-toxin granting them natural immunity without ever having a single dose of medication or getting tetanus by gradually and unintentionally ingesting the tentanus bacteria in day-to-day living.
https://www.mommypotamus.com/should-vaccines-be-mandatory/
In addition to the anti-toxin, a tetanus vaccine contains formaldehyde (preservative), thimerosal (antiseptic and antifungal containing mercury), aluminum phosphate (adjuvant), dibasic sodium phosphate (acidic medium), and sodium phosphate monobasic (fungicidal).
https://www.livestrong.com/article/179184-what-are-the-ingredients-in-the-tetanus-shot/
I shouldn't have to explain the dangers of ingesting formaldehyde, mercury and aluminum.
I've got a few more reasons why I think at the very least it should be optional, but I'll leave it at that for now.
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(I.e., a single person could be ground zero for a strain of virus that is no longer preventable. This would infect everyone - even the people with the old vaccines.)
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Vaccinations prevent these mutations from occuring by refusing the virus a place to thrive.
Ergo, vaccinations are rendered useless when people don't vaccinate and become infected with the virus.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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This is a highly idealized scenario.
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Your quote was.
"Ergo, vaccinations are rendered useless when people don't vaccinate and become infected with the virus." -U
"How would one get infected with a virus, mutated or no.."- me
"They wouldn't" - u
If my kid can't get the virus from your vaccinated kid, and your kid shouldn't be abe to contract the disease from my unvaccinated kid, why should it be mandatory the he be subject to ingest things that may harm him? Shouldn't that be a matter of personal or parental choice.
Can I get an example of a vaccine that should be mandatory.
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Your entire hypothetical situation is highly idealized. Your assuming that a vaccinated kid would never come in contact with a kid who wasn't vaccinated. This one highly idealized situation should not be the basis of your entire argument because it is completely possible that a kid who was not vaccinated could come in contact with one who has.
"Can I get an example of a vaccine that should be mandatory. "
Vaccines that should be mandatory should vaccinate againsts diseases that fit the two criteria:
1.) Cause an immesurable amount of displeasure or death, and
2.) the disease has not yet been erradicated.
"... he be subject to ingest things that may harm him?"
What makes you think vaccines would harm you?
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When you fail to get your kid vaccinated, you submit him to unecessary danger and potential harm. This is endangering your child and should be made illegal.
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The argument in this post was already made.
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If vaccines were administered routinely for a certain virus for three generations, the virus should be either eradicated, isolated, or extremely unlikely to be contracted, if vaccines are to be considered effective at all.
@DrCereal
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Do you also agree that it would be impossible for a vaxxed kid to contract a virus from a nonvaxxed kid? (If vaccines are to be considered effective?)
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There have been no studies that show that vaccines are bad for children, and multiple that demonstrate the positive benefits of it(1). The child might be able to contract a disease and be put at risk because he/she was not vaccinated. The problem here is not disease spread - it is the safety of a child. A nonvaxxed kid could get a disease from another nonvaxxed kid putting both at physical risk. The government has to step in if the parent is so incompetent as to willingly put their kids at risk, I would go as far as to argue that could be considered neglect.
Of course if you are 18 and are a legal adult, I could not care less if you got a vaccine or not. I am a conservative and I believe government should stay out of health, but if we are talking about the safety of children, yes there should be regulations.
1.here you may find a list of studies affirming my claim: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Vaccine-Studies-Examine-the-Evidence.aspx
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If this were to happen, this would prove that the vaccine was inneficient, and with the health risks involved, I'd opt out anyway I could.
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"A nonvaxxed kid could get a disease from another nonvaxxed kid putting both at physical risk."
I am talking about two unvaxxed kids, I don't even mention a vaxxed kid in this statement. Both unvaxxed kids are at risk, I do not understand how I am unclear in this statement.
"If both of those kids were vaxxed then both would be safe"
Here I am saying the vaccines are keeping the kids safe, because that is what studies show, I linked a list of multiple.
I am either missing something, or that was a very poor strawman.
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How much of the population do you think is unvaxxed?
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http://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php
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Smallpox has been eradicated, therefore it should be an optional vaccine, especially considering the dangers.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/smallpox
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And how was my post a fallacy? Please, elaborate.
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You're being petty.
I "haven't provided an answer to a question" so my post is fallacious? That's a non sequitur.
Also, I did answer your question. Did you happen to miss it?
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If a group of people stopped vaccinating their children, then the population of unvaccinated children would increase. Demographics are not static.
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You're being petty.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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I have marked your posts fallacious because they have invalid reasoning.
"I did not imply that your post is fallacious since you haven't responded to my question "
Ah, I'm sorry. I misread your original post (Formatting helps prevent misinterpretation.), but this still doesn't invalidate the first part of my post.
Marking my posts as fallacious simply because I marked yours without explanation is petty.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Can you please tell me why the first post you flagged as fallacious is so?
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